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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 16:37:36 GMT -5
The front chassis plate is now tacked onto the car and the steering rack is there. I also got around to purchasing the 1-14 thread die i needed to finish the engine mount tubes with lock nuts, turns out .065 is going to be to thin so I am stepping that up to .095 or .120 depending on what the OD of mount bolts allow. The gauge cluster panel and cover are cut and bent and now need to be fitted to the frame. I also cannibalized the GSXR gas tank for the pump flange and the fill flange, even though I had flushed the tank with water there was definitely some hesitation on my part the first time I hit it with the plasma cutter. The first cut and bent gas tank came in, to heavy and incorrectly designed by me but it will act as a good mock up article for the future one made of thinner stainless steel and TIG welded at a shop. All the tubing on the chassis is 1-1.5"x0.065-0.095 depending on how structurally important I thought they were. A-arms, push rods, and steering tie rods are 3/4"x0.120
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 16:43:14 GMT -5
About Ackerman Angles,here is an excellent article on this subject. it explains what happens when you move the rack in every direction. (srx660 edited. This link has changed so i am putting in the newest link from Woodward steering.) woodwardsteering.com/PDF/tech%20section%20guide.pdfDownload the article "basic rack and pinion tech" it's free. Fred V
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 16:44:37 GMT -5
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 16:45:57 GMT -5
February '13 Bought some saw horses from home depot and a new replacement cut off saw since the other one broke in half literally, so the chassis is finally off the weld table. I have been getting used to the driver position and am liking it more and more each time i sit in it. I got the gauge cluster and the key off the bike and mounted them in a mock up of the real dash which will be cut correctly on the CNC plasma cutter. Other then the steering wheel cutting the top of the gauges off the system looks good and the key will add a little security and make wiring a lot simpler.
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 16:53:14 GMT -5
There was a lengthy discussion about the options for the steering wheel, at the moment the best one is using a yoke type with the top cut out so that at least when you're going straight the top of the tach is visible. I got my first parts off the new lathe finally, still working on the proper feeds and speeds needed to get a nice surface finish but I did pretty well I think. The rear shock is now mounted and I have both swing arm mounts ready to go, one is tack welded the other just needs to be, and then I am going to mount the rear wheel. I was surprised how well my simple jig worked for making the swing arm mounts, I didn't have time to take a picture of it today but it will be up later this week. I also spent a lot of last week upgrading my design to include the new wheel bearing design and new a-arm design. Next up is the pedal box which has been on the back burner to long. I ordered and received all the rocker bearings, main wheel bearings and seals, and the steering column bearings. Another small thing to note, the engine mount design was changed to incorporate one piece clamps instead of 1-14 lock nuts. Its simpler and the threads that I tried to cut for the initial design look like crap. Question out to the forum, has anyone used paddle/button shifters to replace shift lever and linkage? I found some decent all electric ones in Europe that run about $700 with two buttons on the steering wheel and can even be linked to an auto ignition kill during shifts to allow for clutch less up-shifting. I don't think there is room in my cockpit for the shifter and I didn't want one to begin with so I am looking for an alternative. www.kliktronic.co.uk/home.htmwww.flatshifter.com/
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 16:54:37 GMT -5
The swing arm has been mounted successfully, one wheel down, two to go.
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 16:55:32 GMT -5
Lookin' good Captain. Love to watch your progress. What's up with the thick steel hood over the instruments? Couldn't find some boiler plate somewhere? How did you bend that stuff anyway? I screwed up my 40 dollar Harbor Freight sheet bender on .080 aluminum. They said .050 was the limit but I didn't believe them. Careful with that beautiful but fuzzy MOMO. Sooner or later you'll forget you have grease on your hands.
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 16:56:30 GMT -5
Haha I have a good friend who works at an industrial metal shop. I like the feeling of rigidity in my parts and you use that to hop in an out of the vehicle. Beyond that I bought a sheet of 12 gauge to use for the body panels and the gauge cluster pieces just got put on that as well.
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 16:57:34 GMT -5
March '13 Design The stainless gas tank is out to the shop for fabrication, hopefully I will see that within the next week or so. I drew up a new pedal design, trying to get the mount point as low as possible and out of the way so that the feet have a good chance of not hitting the bell crank cross member when you get in. From my personal fit tests the cross member is far enough back that it would be quite hard to get your foot stuck between the pedal and the bar. Also I attached a current vehicle model, it has so many mates and components that it is no longer useful to test parts out as it lags my computer so much. Now I simple make a new assembly with just the parts I am testing and see if they fit.
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 16:59:28 GMT -5
Mid March '13 Build I finished the swing arm mounts almost two weeks ago and tested them out, and they work perfectly. I jigged them up separate from the car and then slide them over the engine mounts and they both went on first try no problem. Since the shock doesn't hold anything up yet and the chassis is three feet above ride height I opted to leave the swing arm off for now but you can see where it would fit. Finally got a full day in with my lathe and made a bunch of parts I have been drawing up the last two weeks. The first rocker is done now and I worked late last night to get it installed on the chassis. For anyone wondering whats inside of a race car rocker I put a picture of all the pieces that are in there, two thrust bearings and two needle bearings stacked. They work great, but I need to work out the torque on the bolt, a the moment its a bit hard to rotate, I also need to pack it with grease.
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 17:02:05 GMT -5
Late March '13 Got some time late night on Friday to work on my lathe and turn the other rocker center as well as both steering column mounts and the final two engine mounts, and then I spent all day today, cutting and welding making the first revision of pedals, and mounting the front suspension and the second rocker and finally when I was done for the day I took it out in the driveway. The need of the nose cone is apparent and makes the whole thing look a bit weird in my opinion. For anyone wondering about the pedal spacing and height, the bolt centers are just over 10" up and the pedals center to center are 5" apart and even with my big work boots on I have no issue selecting the brakes and getting off the throttle, at least that in theory that's what it seemed like when I sat in it. Also its hard to tell from the pictures but there is more then enough clearance from the bottom of the column to the top of the brake pedal.
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 17:03:07 GMT -5
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 17:04:08 GMT -5
April '13 Finally got the motor mounted with the swing arm after doing some cutting and grinding of the swing arm mounts. I was able to mount the engine by myself using tie down straps from the front strut bar through the roll hoop and then down to the bolts I put in the head. There are some new parts to be made before I fix everything in its final position, and the exhaust hits the bell crank mount so that needs to be routed differently. Bought two master cylinders to test out the brake pedal position and found that the pedal sits slightly off center so that needs to be mended, now sure how yet. In front suspension news I have the uprights being made in two pieces, I turn the bearing mounts and a local water-jet company is cutting out the complex shape, they will be welded together. Hopefully one will be done this weekend and I can fit test my design.
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 17:08:32 GMT -5
April 10/13 Picked up my parts from the waterjet company, they look very nice and the draft was much less then expected so the tolerances are much closer which is quite nice. I spent a very late night monday/early tuesday morning finishing one of the bearing centers, which is a little wrong and needs to be altered to be correct but its a good fit check. The Mcmastercarr bearing drawing made it look like the bearing race for the wheel bearing stuck out further then the tapered roller, however is passes through it by about .075" which make my part wrong and it makes me able to but the bearings further apart by 0.150" which is good for the load bearing surfaces. Lots to do this weekend, if I am lucky I will have some mock up spindles made and a rolling chassis....but thats a stretch.
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 17:09:34 GMT -5
Nice uprights. How will the bearing tubes attach to them? What's the material? If 6061 Al, you could use dip brazing, although I think it can only be heat treated toT4 after that.
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 17:10:27 GMT -5
They are 6061-T6 which are going to be TIG welded by a local shop. The reality is these are functional mock ups to use for testing that will be replaced by fully machined 7075 versions once the design is finalized and I know it works. Not much on my plan to get a rolling chassis this weekend as a friend of my blew out a head gasket on their nissan xterra and I offered to help replace it.
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 17:11:14 GMT -5
Mid April Found out from Pegasus Autoracing that my new extended length steering rack from Titan Engineering in England should be on my doorstep, just the moving part, the housing is staying the same. Things are looking good to have a roller by the end of the month if I can just find the time to get into the shop. I changed the rim color for fun and took some pictures of the full CAD model for reference. If you have questions or comments, ask away, I would be interested in knowing what ideas people have on how I can improve. Also just got accepted on a house I am buying so my whole shop environment will be moved into my garage by the end of the summer or sooner which should increase the pace of any work I am doing.
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 17:12:16 GMT -5
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 17:13:07 GMT -5
The exhaust was hitting the chassis so I made a quick work around similar to small SUV hitch attachments, it does need to be stiffened up though I think the weight of the rear end will bend it.
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 17:13:50 GMT -5
April 25th, 2013 Spent all day in my shop today with my buddy Levi on the lathe and me on the mill. Got quite a lot accomplished with more to come tomorrow. Still waiting on the longer steering rack to arrive from England.
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 17:14:47 GMT -5
April '13 After a long weekend in the machine shop I came within a few hours of my rolling chassis goal. I am turning 26 this week, started this at 23 and hopefully I will be able to give myself a birthday present if my steering rack comes in this week. Just to not the spindles will be threaded along with the spindle nuts, these collars are just place holders.
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 17:17:09 GMT -5
April '13 Finally got a wheel on the front of the car, and I am very close to have the other one on as well. Spent some time on the nose cone as well. I am quite glad I am making test pieces for both the uprights and the spindles. I found out tonight my caliper model is wrong and when I put the assembly together the rotor was passing through the caliper so back to the lathe for a quick fix but that would have been an expensive fix on a single piece spindle and an expensive paper weight on a single piece upright. To everyone: hope you all like what you see after 10k views over the last year, making me feel special for my birthday.
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 17:19:03 GMT -5
Not sure if its today or Apr 13th but Happy B day. I am following most of the current builds and you guys are doing a very good job detailing the build out. While your designs are very nice they are well above my build level, cost is the factor for me. I would need off the shelf items that could be modified. But I like to look. Its like a Brit friend of mine that has a saying "I'm not a gynecologist, but sure, I'll take a peek". ;D
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 17:20:07 GMT -5
It may not look super different from my other pictures but after two years all the wheels are on the ground, this coming weekend it will be a rolling chassis with the steering rack coming in tomorrow and I will be welding up mock up struts (tubes with rod ends) to get the car off the ground.
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 17:20:58 GMT -5
May 7-9 '13 Finally got the new steering rack in and braced the rear bell crank mount so that it won't bend under the weight of the trike and rolled the bad boy out into the driveway. The fake struts for the front were actually pretty easy to make as well. The rolling chassis is ready and the engine is already mounted so I don't know if I can call it that but the feeling of pushing it back and forth the first time is quite amazing.
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 17:22:44 GMT -5
Hi Andrew, Were we talking on Boxing Day in Sydney about your trike project? Cheers, Mark
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 17:23:34 GMT -5
Hey Mark, Yeah we were talking on Boxing Day when I was out that way staying with the Darlings, I can't believe its been six months already. Things have come quite a ways since then on this side of the pond. Andrew
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 17:27:19 GMT -5
Andrew, It took me a while to find your project on the web, but I am glad I've tracked it down. You have done a really nice job on the design work and build looks really fine too. I am inspired and you have got me looking at kit project R-Trike over here in Australia made by www.tripodcars.com. Your complete scratch build (as we would call it) is way beyond my resources, so a kit would be the go. I have my eye on a BMW K1200 power plant that might be suitable. I hope to have a new larger workshop space next year and I am thinking this trike project might just be the right way to fill it up. Anyway it was your conversation on Boxing Day on the other side of the world got me thinking, thanks for that. Mark
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 17:29:04 GMT -5
Right on, that looks pretty bad ass, I am glad you found me. Looks like you found yourself a good starting option, if you do make it happen you should make a page on here. That's an interesting reverse idea they came up with and that is also really cheap for a chassis. Glad I could be an inspiration, sometimes I need to hear from other people to remind me to get back to work cause no one else is going to do it for me. Andrew
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Post by CaptainAmerica on Dec 21, 2018 17:30:52 GMT -5
It would appear from your plan that you intend to fabricate your own exhaust. If so this can provide a dynamic advantage in so much as getting the exhaust out from under the engine would allow lowering it a couple of inches. In a high performance trike, getting the cg down, especially at the rear, can be an important advantage. Wish I could have managed it. If you are retaining the bike's swing arm geometry, the pivot at the front of the swing arm will have to be lower to keep the same relationship with the counter sprocket. Unless a smaller diameter wheel/tire assembly is used, this will result in the swing arm working at a different angle. Chain slack will be affected as the wheel moves through its arc. Your computer modeling should be very helpful with this. Anticipate any problems?
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