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Post by sanjoseev on Feb 20, 2019 14:10:24 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Feb 20, 2019 22:45:03 GMT -5
You are looking at the same cost for complete front suspension as buying custom components that are designed for a street vehicle, to try using the Yamaha hubs for a street reverse trike. The banshee uses a 4 x 156 bolt pattern on their hubs. The banshee's wheels sizes were all 10 inch diameter in 5 inch and 8 inch widths. Banshee's were built from 1988 to 2005. The problem is finding proper size tires that are narrower than the normal banshee wheel width. The only wheels in a normal street diameter that fit are the 14 inch and 15 inch from the polaris 550 sportsman XP and Touring made in 2014. These are 6 and 8 inch wide wheels. The 14 inch are $90 each an the 15 inch are $130 each. Then add the cost of disk brakes that fit, Not trying to be rough on you but i just don't think the ATV suspension is the way to go for a street vehicle. I would think about using small car components even if they are somewhat over kill for small light trike. Easier to fit to a frame and much cheaper to buy. I bought a complete miata front suspension with the whole frame assembly including the steering box and wheels/tires for $250 last year. I was saving it for a future build, but a friend talked me into selling it to him. Don't know if i'll ever see that kind of deal again.You just gotta look around.
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Post by davej98002 on Feb 20, 2019 23:05:29 GMT -5
SanJose, welcome to the forums. Like said over on the MEV site, any thing Reverse trike is welcome here. Did you buy MEV E-trike plans from Stuart Mill's? I have a set of his drawings for the E-trike. I will not be using the Banshee arms and such that he designed it around. I will be looking for some 1994 up Corvette C4 arms and hubs complete with rotors. They run around $750. Yes like James (Admin) said above 175% over kill for a light trike but very durable.
I think Liteway went ATV suspension for a time but has since upgraded. I think he went with CanAm Spyder arms and hubs.
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Post by liteway on Feb 21, 2019 8:34:46 GMT -5
Wish I could have stayed with the super lightweight wheels, hubs and rotors of the ATV as they made the trike ride better, faster and more fun to ride. Problem: They don't look good. Deal killers; inadequate brakes ( maybe to the point of being dangerous) and illegal for street use in many states. Spend extra to get the lightest wheels and components possible. Stay away from wide large diameter wheels and heavy brakes that look cool but are a performance negative
on a trike under half a ton.
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Post by sanjoseev on Feb 21, 2019 17:13:02 GMT -5
trying to find the rims he has on Mills etrike
plans are not detailed on tires and rims I have to go over plans again
already bought banshee suspension I'll try to make it work or change it later
my first trike build is going to be fast moped class 30 MPH maybe a little more then I'll build some thing bigger more powerful 600CC EV equivalent
maybe I can change hubs just use the A arms
going to start mock up in 2 weeks
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Post by davej98002 on Feb 21, 2019 17:29:53 GMT -5
I am guessing you are in San Jose California. PLEASE, before you do any building, CHECK your Dept of Motor Vehicle's rules on ATV parts on the street. In Washington State we are REQUIRED to go through an inspection and it WILL FAIL inspection every time due to ATV parts.
In England, where MEV (Stuart Mills Extreme Vehicles Ltd) is located they get away with ATV parts on low speed vehicles. But anything above about 50cc and MOT/IVA/MSVA/DVLA may well kill its approval.
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Post by sanjoseev on Feb 21, 2019 19:27:35 GMT -5
I'll try for Moped reg in California limit to 30 MPH
didn't see any about off road parts but I'll check again
Mills uses Kawasaki KLF 300’s front suspension in theirs I think banshee is US equivalent
I sent email and ask how to modify
This uses Yamaha 125 cc motorcycle wheels on Kwak Quad bike front hubs
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Post by davej98002 on Feb 21, 2019 21:42:38 GMT -5
Well you could contact Stockton Wheel and see if they can make you a wheel to order. I have used them to make custom wheels for my Hot Rods and Racecars. They are only 1 hour away from you in Stockton CA. www.stocktonwheel.com/But like Liteway said above, do not go real tall or wide of you may make the ATV parts fail quicker. |
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Post by liteway on Feb 21, 2019 22:35:21 GMT -5
If you must use the Atv hubs, why not put the 10" wheels on them that they were designed for? They are extremely light weight (5 lbs in aluminum) and have proper offset unlike the ones grafted on the Mills e trike. 165 / 70R 10 street tires are rare but available to fit. I used H rated Falkens. Taller wheels, even light ones, only ask more of those tiny 6" disks. Then again, I could be wrong,  Placing rotors inboard of the wheels and not within them would allow them to be of a larger diameter. Based on experience, I would say the little brakes will be okay if you do not exceed an all up weight with rider of about 600 lbs and limit hp to around 35/40. When my trike was fitted with the ATV front end (suzuki 250 sport quad) I had an all up weight of about 725. Locking the brakes, even at low speed, took a lot of leg muscle and pedal travel. Setting up pedal leverage to put max force on the master cylinder gave an uncomfortable spongy feel. Those problems went away with the install a of Spyder front end with its 9.25" drilled rotors and 4 piston calipers. Now it feels like the brakes are power assisted but easier to modulate to avoid unintentional lockup. Next best thing to anti-lock. Later: I will allow that the Banshee brakes may be better than than the suzy's if they are thicker drilled disks and with more robust calipers. |
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Post by sanjoseev on Feb 22, 2019 12:08:17 GMT -5
I think I'll go with 14 or 15 inch rims there are banshee rims up to 17" If I can use bolt on rims it will be easier going to use 3000 watt fat tire 4' rear rim for rear I all ready have www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M58P474/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1This is going to be my first build practice for building a much more powerful version Should have a max speed of 30 to 35 MPH depending on batteries may push to 45 if it works good parts arrive next week then I'll look for rims and shocks start frame mockup |
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Post by davej98002 on Feb 22, 2019 16:07:36 GMT -5
If you go with a 14 or 15 inch rim on front there are a few good tires to fit. Many Motorcycle tires from the large scooters out there. I would go with a 120/70 15 front scooter tire or a 150/70 14 rear tire run in reverse tread rotation on the front. The 110-120mm wide is about as wide as you need for slow speeds. Car tires wide tread foot print is OVER kill for your speeds and cornering ability but... Shortest to tallest 155/60 14, 165/60 14, 155/65 14 and 165/65 14. These are the sizes I run on the rear of my scooter. When I do my road trike I will run a 155/65 HR 14 all around, front and rear. Many good tires in that size, not too wide and a good height. I have 25,000 miles on my current Car Tire on the back of my scooter.
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